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		<title>By: Ville Walveranta</title>
		<link>http://my.galagzee.com/2008/03/16/farewell-qmail-youve-served-well/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>Ville Walveranta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Dr Tebi! I have Postfix running with Dovecot on my development server. Everything is working smoothly. Both Postfix and Dovecot are top-notch software, and both are extremely well maintained and supported by their developers.

The last component that I&#039;m currently tackling before I put the new system into production is LDAP. For someone without prior X.500 or LDAP experience it is initially rather confusing, partially due to lack of good examples. I finally have the system running with the basic schema, and I have Phamm set up as the management system. The next task is to make sure authentication works from Postfix/Dovecot through LDAP. For that I have a few examples (including the README and Wiki entries for Postfix and Dovecot) so it shouldn&#039;t be too complicated step. I want to be able to have virtual mail domains and virtual mail users, and some kind of management interface than a plain LDAP client. 

The LDAP tools I&#039;m currently using include the following:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;* Softerra&#039;s excellent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ldapadministrator.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LDAP Administrator&lt;/a&gt;; it has templates which can be used to automate mail user administration.
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;* &lt;a href=&quot;http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;phpLDAPadmin&lt;/a&gt; - it is to Softerra LDAP Administrator what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phpmyadmin.net/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;phpMyAdmin&lt;/a&gt; is to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sqlmanager.net/en/products/mysql/manager&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SQL Manager for MySQL&lt;/a&gt;, in other words it&#039;s the best web-based LDAP client.
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phamm.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phamm&lt;/a&gt;, or &quot;PHP LDAP Virtual Hosting Manager&quot;; it works and it&#039;s maintained but its interface is not much to write home about (the other alternative is Java-based &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://jamm.sourceforge.net/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jamm&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, or &quot;Java Mail Manager&quot;, which hasn&#039;t seen a new version since 2004). Then again, with qmail I&#039;ve been using Olivier Mueller&#039;s php-based &lt;a href=&quot;http://omail.omnis.ch/omail-admin/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oMail-admin&lt;/a&gt;, which gets leisurely updated when new developments in PHP, etc. occur (it&#039;s still &quot;PHP4 based&quot;, so breakage with PHP5 is imminent). It&#039;s been working fairly well, but with the entire old mail system I&#039;ve had the growing concern that sooner or later one of its many components will no longer work with a new operating system version, and the maintainer has lost interest leaving the entire setup dead in the water.
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

Meanwhile, it&#039;s been great to see how *everything* that qmail/vmailmgr/mailfront was able to do with lots of hacks is very eloquently implemented in Postfix/Dovecot strictly following the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RFCs&lt;/a&gt;. I have to mention here that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.untroubled.org/software.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bruce Guenther&#039;s software&lt;/a&gt;: vmailmgr, mailfront cvm, etc. have always been exceptionally well written — but as for the mail system components, it doesn&#039;t help no matter how great the add-on modules are if the base, the MTA itself, is arrogantly out of date (&quot;arrogantly&quot;, because of DJ Bernstein&#039;s well known attitude). I still use Bruce&#039;s other software such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.galagzee.com/index.php/2008/06/30/installing-bcron-on-freebsd-70/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bcron&lt;/a&gt; which I highly recommend as a replacement for cron.

I&#039;ll post here more info about the mail system setup. My initial pass on setting it up on the development server wasn&#039;t good for writing a solid documentation because I was in the process of understanding how the different components work together. I made notes, and after the first production system setup I should have a document which I can post here.

I&#039;ve been also participating in the discussions on the Postfix and Dovecot mailing lists. Lots of really good info there as well as good help when one runs into a snag with the configuration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dr Tebi! I have Postfix running with Dovecot on my development server. Everything is working smoothly. Both Postfix and Dovecot are top-notch software, and both are extremely well maintained and supported by their developers.</p>
<p>The last component that I&#8217;m currently tackling before I put the new system into production is LDAP. For someone without prior X.500 or LDAP experience it is initially rather confusing, partially due to lack of good examples. I finally have the system running with the basic schema, and I have Phamm set up as the management system. The next task is to make sure authentication works from Postfix/Dovecot through LDAP. For that I have a few examples (including the README and Wiki entries for Postfix and Dovecot) so it shouldn&#8217;t be too complicated step. I want to be able to have virtual mail domains and virtual mail users, and some kind of management interface than a plain LDAP client. </p>
<p>The LDAP tools I&#8217;m currently using include the following:</p>
<ul>
<li>* Softerra&#8217;s excellent <a href="http://www.ldapadministrator.com/" rel="nofollow">LDAP Administrator</a>; it has templates which can be used to automate mail user administration.
</li>
<li>* <a href="http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">phpLDAPadmin</a> &#8211; it is to Softerra LDAP Administrator what <a href="http://www.phpmyadmin.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">phpMyAdmin</a> is to <a href="http://www.sqlmanager.net/en/products/mysql/manager" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">SQL Manager for MySQL</a>, in other words it&#8217;s the best web-based LDAP client.
</li>
<li>* <a href="http://www.phamm.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Phamm</a>, or &#8220;PHP LDAP Virtual Hosting Manager&#8221;; it works and it&#8217;s maintained but its interface is not much to write home about (the other alternative is Java-based &#8220;<a href="http://jamm.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jamm</a>&#8220;, or &#8220;Java Mail Manager&#8221;, which hasn&#8217;t seen a new version since 2004). Then again, with qmail I&#8217;ve been using Olivier Mueller&#8217;s php-based <a href="http://omail.omnis.ch/omail-admin/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">oMail-admin</a>, which gets leisurely updated when new developments in PHP, etc. occur (it&#8217;s still &#8220;PHP4 based&#8221;, so breakage with PHP5 is imminent). It&#8217;s been working fairly well, but with the entire old mail system I&#8217;ve had the growing concern that sooner or later one of its many components will no longer work with a new operating system version, and the maintainer has lost interest leaving the entire setup dead in the water.
</li>
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<p>Meanwhile, it&#8217;s been great to see how *everything* that qmail/vmailmgr/mailfront was able to do with lots of hacks is very eloquently implemented in Postfix/Dovecot strictly following the <a href="http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">RFCs</a>. I have to mention here that <a href="http://www.untroubled.org/software.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bruce Guenther&#8217;s software</a>: vmailmgr, mailfront cvm, etc. have always been exceptionally well written — but as for the mail system components, it doesn&#8217;t help no matter how great the add-on modules are if the base, the MTA itself, is arrogantly out of date (&#8220;arrogantly&#8221;, because of DJ Bernstein&#8217;s well known attitude). I still use Bruce&#8217;s other software such as <a href="http://my.galagzee.com/index.php/2008/06/30/installing-bcron-on-freebsd-70/" rel="nofollow">bcron</a> which I highly recommend as a replacement for cron.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll post here more info about the mail system setup. My initial pass on setting it up on the development server wasn&#8217;t good for writing a solid documentation because I was in the process of understanding how the different components work together. I made notes, and after the first production system setup I should have a document which I can post here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been also participating in the discussions on the Postfix and Dovecot mailing lists. Lots of really good info there as well as good help when one runs into a snag with the configuration.</p>
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		<title>By: DrTebi</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrTebi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, we seem to be on the same boat.

I wonder if you have installed Postfix already. It would be great to hear about your experience.

While I have managed to install all other software I need on my server (apache, mysql, tinydns, php...), I will still have to go through the hussle of setting up the mail server.

After a lot of researching, I am now rather tempted to try Exim. It seems to be a bit more complete, and the documentation is extensive on the Exim web site.

As for a how-to, I have found one that seems to cover all of the bells and wistles I am planning setup do with Exim:
http://struction.de/projects/HOWTO_VirtualMail_Exim-MySQL-Spamassassin-ClamAV-Dovecot/

Let me know if you have had a positive experience with Postfix. I am also switching from qmail, so a lot of things are changing...

DrTebi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, we seem to be on the same boat.</p>
<p>I wonder if you have installed Postfix already. It would be great to hear about your experience.</p>
<p>While I have managed to install all other software I need on my server (apache, mysql, tinydns, php&#8230;), I will still have to go through the hussle of setting up the mail server.</p>
<p>After a lot of researching, I am now rather tempted to try Exim. It seems to be a bit more complete, and the documentation is extensive on the Exim web site.</p>
<p>As for a how-to, I have found one that seems to cover all of the bells and wistles I am planning setup do with Exim:<br />
<a href="http://struction.de/projects/HOWTO_VirtualMail_Exim-MySQL-Spamassassin-ClamAV-Dovecot/" rel="nofollow">http://struction.de/projects/HOWTO_VirtualMail_Exim-MySQL-Spamassassin-ClamAV-Dovecot/</a></p>
<p>Let me know if you have had a positive experience with Postfix. I am also switching from qmail, so a lot of things are changing&#8230;</p>
<p>DrTebi</p>
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